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Public release BetaComments

Post by rot » Tue May 02, 2017 2:07 am

Hello!
Persuasion>Admire> You do pretty cool stuff, can you gib access to files? :)
Some reports on Karthwasten and environs:

Sky_iRe_KW_Tivela00000000 Karthwasten, Tivela Tyravel: Pawnbroker 472 -51 2 "has no gold to trade"
com_chest_02_fg_supply00000000 Karthwasten, Guild of Fighters 4745 4310 15894 "no ownerships"
T_SkyNor_Furn_Ch3Empty Karthwasten, Red Palace 4871 5295 14333 "no ownerships around this"
T_SkyNor_Furn_Ch3Scroll Karthwasten (-104,5) -848080 43647 3838 "no ownership, has expensive scrolls"
T_Rga_SetReach_I_TileTrim_02 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Upper Floor 4060 4579 15296 "causes flickering behind wall behind it, moving by -0.10 on X solves it"
T_Rga_SetReach_I_TileTrim_02 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Upper Floor 4060 4320 15296 "same"
ingred_sload_soap_01 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Upper Floor 4220 5144 14885 "'sload soap is not soap' :p"
T_SkyCom_Var_Sk5Food100000000 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Basement 3433 4145 14561 "no ownerships"
T_Rga_SetReach_DoorIn_01 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Basement 3169 4550 14528 "opens into nothing, load door above or below says 'Vault'"
T_Rga_SetReach_I_TileTrim_01 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Dining Hall 4539 3392 12225 "flickers, moving by +0.2 on Y solves, but the trim on the wall mesh itself flickers a bit too"
T_Rga_SetReach_I_TilePillar_03 Karthwasten, Red Palace 4320 5459 14085 "flickers, -0.2 on Y solves"

Dial:
Sky_iRe_KW_Dada-Dar00000000 Karthwasten, Imperial Cult Chapel 5181 3805 15903 "'news of our lost sister' = is this greeting supposed to have a clickable topic?"
Sky_iRe_KW_Dada-Dar00000000 Karthwasten, Imperial Cult Chapel 5181 3805 15903 "background: 'Priests' instead of 'Priest'"
Sky_iRe_KW_Dalla00000000 Karthwasten, Imperial Cult Chapel 4754 3545 15874 "are vanilla clothes-value-based greetings kept on purpose?"
Sky_iRe_KW_Geod00000000 Karthwasten, Guild of Fighters 4714 3709 15875 "doesn't link topic 'join the Fighters Guild', though has it in greeting"
Sky_Re_Guard_s00000005 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Dining Hall 3755 4468 12067 "some of the entries mentioning The Reach have capitalised The mid-sentence"
Sky_iRe_KW_Leofric00000000 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Upper Floor 3716 4497 14818 "midsentence linebreak in greeting after 'Ties-The-Bark'"
Sky_iRe_KW_Leofric00000000 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Upper Floor 3716 4497 14818 "probably want to exclude cell:palace from specific place 'You shouldn't have trouble finding the Red Palace'"

Data:
Sky_iRe_KW_Ranus00000000 Karthwasten, Imperial Cult Chapel 4481 4311 16195 "has transparent hair"
T_Rga_SetReach_I_TileWall_04 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Dining Hall 4283 5054 11969 "the upper wooden trim on these walls flickers (when moving towards or away from beyond a certain distance, not seen when close)"

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Re: Public release BetaComments

Post by Yeti » Tue May 02, 2017 9:49 am

Sky_iRe_KW_Dada-Dar00000000 Karthwasten, Imperial Cult Chapel 5181 3805 15903 "'news of our lost sister' = is this greeting supposed to have a clickable topic?"
The quest for this has not been made yet.
Sky_iRe_KW_Dalla00000000 Karthwasten, Imperial Cult Chapel 4754 3545 15874 "are vanilla clothes-value-based greetings kept on purpose?"
Yes, vanilla greetings are supposed to show up occasionally.
Sky_Re_Guard_s00000005 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Dining Hall 3755 4468 12067 "some of the entries mentioning The Reach have capitalised The mid-sentence"
I had assumed that since "The" is part of the Reach's proper name, it should be capitalized... but I'm starting to think it should be lower case after all. Looks better that way. We should do a search-and-replace for this.

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Re: Public release BetaComments

Post by rot » Sun May 07, 2017 4:25 am

Some more:


NPC/Dial
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Sky_iRe_KW_Tarod00000000 Karthwasten, Dancing Saber: Tavern 4324 3711 13314 "not excluded from the 'someone in particular' entry mentioning him. entry in question also has typo 'an wastrel knight'"
Sky_iRe_KW_Darid00000000 Karthwasten, Ruby Drake Inn 200 827 3 "neither is he"
Sky_iRe_KW_Caponicus00000000 Karthwasten, Ruby Drake Inn 1015 841 2 "background, 'Who me' misses a comma"
Sky_iRe_KW_Caponicus00000000 Karthwasten, Ruby Drake Inn 1012 838 2 "says ''Inah's a real beauty'', NPC called Jenah, intentional?"
Sky_iRe_KW_Iertus00000000 Karthwasten, Vancor: Fine Colovian Smithing 3723 4089 15619 "might be odd to have all merchants say 'The various shops west of the Red Palace have the best wares', as praising competition"
Sky_iRe_KW_Dorolf00000000 Karthwasten, Hall of the Boar Snout Clan 4837 2412 15426 "topic 'the Reach' typo: 'The many Orces'"
Sky_iRe_KW_Cave_RG_W_0800000000 Karthwasten Caves, Sur-Rata Caverns -737 2632 -877 "these yoku guys probably shouldn't be saying ''She's our jarl'' of topic 'Jarl Jona...'"
Sky_iRe_KW_Cave_RG_Pris00000000 Karthwasten Caves, Sur-Rata Caverns -1791 5490 -394 "doesn't have an actual name, rare by vanilla convention"
Sky_xRe_KW_Aurius00000000 Karthwasten (-105,6) -852935 50327 2110 "has 'well met, Outlander' voice, probably need to block vanilla for these. also is he supposed to provide travel services?"
Sky_iRe_KW_Lorvacah00000000 Karthwasten, The Droopy Mare: Tavern -45 -689 3 "wanders away from behind counter"
Sky_Re_Guard_f_s00000005 Karthwasten (-104,5) -848938 44281 2746 "they invariably both voice-speak at the same time when you exit the palace, maybe worth preventing"

Sky_qRe_KW01_Aladoer in Karthwasten, Ruby Drake Inn, on 'Direnni registers', says 'You don't have any with you' despite having Codex Mania 'Sky_iRe_kwtunnels_Direnni_book1'. Same answer with the patterns 'T_Bk_DirenniEmpty02SHOTN'. Did manage to sell him Numalchemy 'Sky_qRe_KW01_register02', however after refusing once he never said anything about a lower offer but only gave 1000 gold instead of 1200. Either way these are actually bad deals given that the books are valued 1800. If he pays less than someone with non-low Barter could get, there must be another benefit to bringing them to him?"

Also did you decide to do away with generic "Background" and "my trade" entirely (certainly one way to deal with the oversharing issue...) or is it just that they haven't been added for the Sky classes?



World
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Sky_iRe_kw1_HelmetAngar Karthwasten, Red Palace, Vault 4115 6469 15356 "may or may not want things here to be owned, for 'Stolen' tag"
T_SkyNor_Furn_Ch3G030 Karthwasten, Red Palace, Vault 4146 6177 15327 "these chests have less gold than the small piles of coins on them, resulting impression is that the vault's chests are rather empty"
T_Sky_Flora_TreeLeaf2_03 The Reach, Vorndgad Forest (-106,11) -863195 90199 5206 "floating"
T_SkyNor_Furn_Ch3WpnEp The Reach, Vorndgad Forest (-104,7) -851288 58352 2803 "no ownerships in the exterior, though there's no one to see you steal"
bk_ArkayTheEnemy Karthwasten Caves, Tarnwasel Palace Ruins 1262 3272 12351 "might prefer not to put a book you'll want to loot under a book you don't want to loot, player will make it float"
chimney_smoke_small The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-109,2) -885769 23929 3931 "are these dwemer ruin exteriors still blowing steam on purpose?"
furn_dwrv_fitting40 The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-109,2) -888008 24000 4140 "are these dwemer ruin exteriors still blowing steam on purpose?"
T_Sky_TerrRockRE_CliffLrg_07a The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-107,4) -868562 32934 3408 "TINY flicker-bleeding from land ground above it"
BM_KA_door_dark_02 The Reach, Vorngond Cavern -30 12366 14332 "still unlinked, was there another interior for this to go to or meant to go to the exterior? called 'exit'"
BM_KA_door_dark The Reach, Druadach Highlands (-108,9) -881083 75658 5329 "dark doors look less strange with a negative light to ease in the entrance when possible"
T_SkyHe_DngDir_Ch3Welkyn The Reach, Mirilstern: Pallatium Dome 4248 3824 15706 "the good old locked, trapped, empty chest huh :'("
furn_com_lantern_hook Haimt(-111,8) -901943 68572 8210 "floating"
T_Rea_Set_X_HouseWall_03 The Reach, Druadach Highlands (-111,7) -905056 59984 8320 "the upper surface on corner between this wall..."
T_Rea_Set_X_HouseWall_03 The Reach, Druadach Highlands (-111,7) -905248 59776 8320 "... and this wall flickers strongly. shifting Z of either by 0.1 solves"
T_Rea_Wormmouth_Helm_01 Karthwasten, Vancor: Fine Colovian Smithing 3728 4003 15747 "minor float, seems to because resting on two points"
T_SkyCom_Var_Cr7Ing Karthwasten, Vancor: Fine Colovian Smithing 4270 4138 15630 "impossible to pass between these and bench"
T_Nor_Set_Tent_03 Vorngyd's Stand (-108,3) -882346 27695 2957 "with this being scale 0.81, impossible to enter (playing male orc), also the guard equipment inside is unowned"
T_Nor_Set_Tent_06 The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-105,2) -853726 19586 6598 "can't enter here either"


Script
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Sky_iRe_kw1_DirenniVaultDoor Karthwasten, Red Palace, Vault 4432 6449 15341 "can open but not close"
Sky_iRe_DH_Miril_doorB The Reach, Mirilstern: Pallatium -64 1344 896 "when coming back to this (reloaded a save in same cell, entered Pallatium Dome, then came back) the door is closed, no longer functional and spins on itself"
T_He_DngDirenni_DoorInOpen_01 The Reach, Mirilstern: Pallatium -560 -176 512 "same issue as above with other gates here"
T_Rga_Set_LampstreetBrass01_512 Karthwasten (-105,4) -854267 38210 2891 "is there an alternate unlit version of these?"
T_Rga_Furn_LanternBrass01_Off The Reach, Druadach Highlands (-108,8) -879830 71799 3496 "there is indeed an unlit version. Because of how bright the inner side gets they look very strange when lit during daytime in the city, it would very much be worth scripting them to alternate when player isn't looking"
Sky_qRe_KW01_register01 Karthwasten Caves, Tarnwasel Palace Ruins 1262 3273 12345 "some weirdness about how this is scripted: I could take one while inventory open, but the fake scripted version stayed in world"



Misc/assets
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Sky_xRe_Kw_DancingSabre Karthwasten (-104,5) -845908 46435 2959 "sign name is spelled 'Sabre' instead of Saber like the cell and dialogue"
TN The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-106,1) -863390 14890 4302 "book also has the title-like capitalised 'The' Reach in some cases"
Sky_iRe_DH_Miril_key The Reach, Mirilstern: Arcanium Dome 3807 4330 15273 "key has 'Mirilstaren' and place has Mirilstern"

T_Rga_SetReach_DoorIn_02 Karthwasten, Ruby Drake Inn -92 612 0 "does the handle on this have collision? seem to get temporarily stuck, could just be the narrow doorways though"
T_Rga_SetReach_I_TileDoorway_03 Karthwasten, Ruby Drake Inn -96 576 0 "the collision on these doorways really isn't permissive, might be clumsy and them being narrow but often getting stuck, when bumping against vanilla doorjambs don't they let you move towards the opening?"

Sky_Re_Guard_f00000003 Vorngyd's Stand (-108,3) -879947 26203 2753 "any female version of their chainmail? always surprised by their voices with the male shape and masks"
T_Sky_TerrRockRE_CliffLrg_09a The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-108,1) -878080 13056 2624 "when these are scaled x2 like this the texture is zoomed-on pixel soup"

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Re: Public release BetaComments

Post by Yeti » Sun May 07, 2017 1:42 pm

These error reports are very helpful. Hopefully we can fix most of these for a patch later this month.

Aurius will offer travel services in the future, once there are places for him to take the player, like Markarth and Beorinhal. If we offer fast travel between Karthgad and Karthwasten, I'd rather use their river docks.

Sounds like the Direnni register quest needs further playtesting and fixing. The registers themselves should definitely be priced lower, and the amount Aladoer pays for them might be a tad high too.

Background topics for generic NPCs haven't been implemented yet. We can add them in the next patch. My trade topics haven't been added either, though frankly I'd rather leave those out, sine they don't really give much useful information, and I like avoiding too much clutter in the dialogue box.

I imagine the Dwemer ruins are supposed to be blowing steam. The Dwemer built things to last, after all.
T_SkyHe_DngDir_Ch3Welkyn The Reach, Mirilstern: Pallatium Dome 4248 3824 15706 "the good old locked, trapped, empty chest huh :'("
Hey, there's no harm trolling players every now and then. :lol:
Sky_Re_Guard_f00000003 Vorngyd's Stand (-108,3) -879947 26203 2753 "any female version of their chainmail? always surprised by their voices with the male shape and masks"
A female version would be very nice, yes.
T_Sky_TerrRockRE_CliffLrg_09a The Reach, Lorchwuir Heath (-108,1) -878080 13056 2624 "when these are scaled x2 like this the texture is zoomed-on pixel soup"
Yeah, this is a common error when scaling up resources. As a general rule, nothing should be made larger than 1.2x the original size. Otherwise it ends up looking like ass in the game.

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