Reachman Lore

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by roerich » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:55 pm

I like Shanath for a High Rock tribe, but Dratt less so. The mesa tribe can be called the Verlihhki.

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by worsas » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:00 pm

Verlihhki sounds spot-on to me. :D

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Post by roerich » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:03 pm

Good, it's a combination between the var/wer/were pre-fix and a Saami word for human skin.

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Post by roerich » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:52 pm

http://i.imgur.com/ZLtP6vU.jpg Typical Nourthu camp. This is Laahku Camp, in the eastern parts of the region. It's a seasonal campsite for reindeer herders, with the foodhut and the fences as the only permanent structures.

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Post by berry » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:40 pm

Now that looks surprisingly great. Kind of like Redoran architecture in Velothi mountains - you imagine a tileset is proper for different enviroment, and then it turns out to look great in a snowy area too.

As for deer-type creatures, I wonder how hard would it be to convert a creature mesh from Skyrim to Morrowind? There are some nice deer mods out there for TES V:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/63243/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Since these use Bethesda's skeletons, they could then be rigged to old Lady E's deer's animations, these are still good I think, even if the model itself aged badly:
http://mw.modhistory.com/download-26-1859" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The question is would that be worth the effort? I don't know a thing about Blender myself.

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by Yeti » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:44 am

You know, with our new concept for the Reachmen, I can't help but feel it might've been better to make the Reachmen a race, and not a faction subcategory of the Bretons. The Ashlander faction worked fine in the vanilla game, but there's a lot more about the Reachmen that separates them from regular Bretons compared to what separates Ashlanders from settled Dunmer. But even disregarding lore, there are game mechanic reasons that make a new race desirable.

Giving each Reachmen tribe a faction slot would have allowed us to filter dialogue for them, making the Hunnath nastier and the Pachkan more tolerant. We could've characterized them from the top-down, with a few carefully tailored general greetings and topic responses, without having to necessarily write dialogue for each small village or camp to indicate which tribe lives there. At the very least, it would make it simple to identify which tribe a native NPC belonged to:

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I am %Name, %Class and %Rank of the %Faction tribe.

I wouldn't take too much work to change at this stage, though I understand if others wouldn't want to do so at this stage.

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Post by roerich » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:49 am

I would definitely support that, but let's postpone it for now, shall we? At least until after this release.

Then we can also advertise our mod with "Playable Reachman race!"
I'm not able to check this now, but how is the quality here? If we could just make a few alterations and a new texture, it would be a good thing to have a generic deer creature.

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Post by berry » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:49 pm

Ideally that would be a great solution, but I'm against it for the time being, until we have someone to voice new dialogue entries (at least for male Reachmen - male Bretons here are far more jarring than female voices, we could reuse female Bretons for female Reachmen. Melchior did the same thing with his Chimers in Lyithdonea, using Dunmer voices, and it turned out pretty well) and I'm not really sure we'd manage to pull it off, surely not before the release.
I'm not able to check this now, but how is the quality here? If we could just make a few alterations and a new texture, it would be a good thing to have a generic deer creature.
Responded here. I'm sorry for spamming with assets ideas in this thread in the first place. :)

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by worsas » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:58 pm

Giving each Reachmen tribe a faction slot would have allowed us to filter dialogue for them, making the Hunnath nastier and the Pachkan more tolerant. We could've characterized them from the top-down, with a few carefully tailored general greetings and topic responses, without having to necessarily write dialogue for each small village or camp to indicate which tribe lives there. At the very least, it would make it simple to identify which tribe a native NPC belonged to:
Can't we make the exactly same thing with the Reachmen variable? I'm not sure about the current npc-scripts (I can't look at it right now), but isn't there already a reachmen variable in there? it could be modified in usage by not merely using it like 0=not reachmen and 1=Reachmen, but 0 = not reachmen 1= tribeless reachmen 2 = Hunnath, 3 = Pachkan, etc. This should naturally come with extended documentation within the npc-script saying which tribe uses which number. By using that approach we could add reachmen to other factions still without having to look into the alternate race solution.

This is just a suggestion and feel free to solve your issues in whatever fashion you prefer.

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by Yeti » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:44 am

I agree we should make a decision on this after the release. Either way, we'll definitely need new voice overs for the Reachmen at some point down the line.

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by Assur Dreleth » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:50 am

As a longstanding fan of Reachman culture in general, I can only hope that you will introduce the new race as part of your mod. I think it would certainly contribute to its attraction potential. (Until then, and I really hope you consider implementing this, I would at least include the option of using some of the painted faces in the character creation screen - I'm not a complete neophyte with the CS, but this is a bit beyond my abilities at this point).

I have been doing a "Blood Witchman" playthrough in the last few days and I can only say that it has been a spectacular experience, I can't remember the last time I had so much fun in Morrowind - which is something, since I've been playing it since 2002. I haven't come across any real errrors, just bits of unfinished quests (like the Orc camp that acknowledges your victory at Malagrok but doesn't actually offer you the reward - by the way, I think it would make sense for a Reachman to be able to do a quest for the Malacath worshippers as well, since they are also outcasts.)

Regarding the various "tribes" of the Reach, something that would perhaps make sense is slight differences in clothing, like in the case of the Ashlanders of Vvardenfell, depending on their location. (the Grazelands Ashlanders use more animal skins than the Urshilaku and so on). This would enable the potrayal of the Reachmen as a multilayered faction, ranging from the more imperialised to "feral" outcasts.

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by Yeti » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:15 pm

Which tribe of Reachmen live in the village west of Dragonstar? The one in -115,12?

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Re: Reachman Lore

Post by roerich » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:01 am

How about this for the mesa #2 tribe.

Taliesinn

A secluded tribe living in the remote western borderlands of Skyrim's Reach. The Taliesinn maintain archaic sun worship, cultic song rituals and are rumoured to be shape-shifters. Their chief deities are Magni, god of the day, and Herwain, god of the night. They are adept witches and magic users, but are not openly hostile to outsiders. They trade with other Reachmen tribes as well as Orcish mountain tribes.

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