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Paintings

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:08 pm
by Infragris
Among the assets in dire need of a visual upgrade are the paintings. The painting models suffer from mesh issues, textures are very low-res, and the actual pictures are rather insipid and uninteresting. I've been planning to rework these for a while now, but before doing that I would like to invite everyone to share any pictures of paintings that you've come across, that we could use for our painting meshes. The pictures would have to be of a decent resolution, not have too werid proportions, be free to use, and should fit the Cyrodiilic atmosphere. Anything that seems to obliquely reference Imperial stuff would be a bonus.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:04 am
by Saint_Jiub
The paintings are one of the projects I've been thinking of tackling as well- If possible, we should make them from scratch like the stained glass windows, statues, etc (rugs and tapestries are also on this list for me).

I have a couple ideas for different schools of Imperial art that I'll explore more fully in the coming days, but in short, I'd like it to be fairly minimalistic and impressionistic in terms of shapes and color, and shy away from generic Renaissance/enlightenment artwork- think Greek black figure pottery, Erte, Pablo Picasso, and Henri Rousseau. For now I'll post a few reference images that get close to what I have in mind and let y'all weigh in:

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[hsimg=]http://kaijupop.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... onfeat.jpg[/hsimg]
[hsimg=]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... uffalo.jpg[/hsimg]
[hsimg=]https://41.media.tumblr.com/546a2b92288 ... 1_1280.jpg[/hsimg]
[hsimg=]https://40.media.tumblr.com/78f20f551ae ... 1_1280.jpg[/hsimg]

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:41 am
by Infragris
I also want to get away from prevailing renaissance/medieval style - though I was thinking more in terms of impressionism or the german romanticists. We should keep in mind the limits of the medium: things like Erte's posters or black figure pottery depend on industrial print technology and the medium of pottery for their look, and can't be transplanted to paint that easily. We do know that the Imperials have some form of printing, so ...

I think some form of poster-print objects would be an interesting addition: cheap framed paper prints of popular saints, of the Emperor, that kind of thing. These could be very expressive, art-deco like.

Fun fact: Henri Rousseau never once in his life saw a jungle. His paintings are based on plants from botanical gardens and scientific publications, mashed together photoshop-style. You could argue that this makes him even better a source for Cyrodiil, though - the idea of a jungle.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:52 pm
by spineinside
Love the idea of implementing secession motives, I just came across some geometric art deco inspired stuff which i imagine adapted or used as a reference or sampling for a motive or screen background
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Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:12 pm
by Saint_Jiub
OK, so here's a fairly quick example of what I'm kind of envisioning- I recreated one of Oblivion's "screenshot with a canvas filter" paintings in the style I'd like to move forward with- with more time, more detail can be added of course, but just for the sake of getting it out there:

[hsimg=]http://i.imgur.com/dHVKIQT.png[/hsimg]

EDIT: Updated, and applied to one of the existing meshes in Nifskope:

[hsimg=]http://i.imgur.com/Wfw0q6M.png[/hsimg]

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:27 pm
by worsas
This is really arty. I didn't know you could paint things like these. Love it.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:43 pm
by Saint_Jiub
Thanks, neither did I to be totally honest, never tried anything like this before :P

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:12 pm
by Infragris
Hmm. Feels a bit too flat and geometrical for me. A painting without perspective doesn't equal one without depth. The feel of the brushes and the texture is very nice, though.

I'm not sure if the Grecan artstyle is one we should necessarily invoke. Perhaps something in the line of Mughal or Indian paintings?

I still feel like it would be easier to raid Classic Art Paintings or something for this. I've no doubt that you can make some amazing pictures, but there's 27 of these bastards. I'd be a huge investment of time and effort.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:12 am
by Saint_Jiub

Re: Paintings

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:32 am
by Infragris
Interesting stuff. The subject matter is a tad too orientalist for the westerners, but the general style is very appropriate. I especially like the abstract backgrounds, like the red plane in the second one or the simplistic tree in the third one. The colors looks very fine as well.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:56 pm
by Saint_Jiub
Made some paintings, as well as additional portraits. Drawing mostly from the works of Thomas Cole & Claude Lorrain for the landscapes, with a few lore elements photoshopped in, and they're all getting pretty heavily edited so that they don't look just look like photographs pasted into a DDS file. What do you think, should I keep going in this style?

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Re: Paintings

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:24 am
by Infragris
These look very interesting, but I'd like to see them a bit closer to judge the quality. I like the style and the method, though, especially on the portraits.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:58 am
by Saint_Jiub
Thanks :)

Here's a close-up on a couple of the pictures, just to give you a better idea. I'm using a 512x256 resolution since they're pretty small items in-game.

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EDIT: Had some more time to work on these today, so here's a preview of the complete portrait set:
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Re: Paintings

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:57 am
by Infragris
These look really good. Looks like you're already doing this, but the only thing I ask is that you don't add any "canvas" relief like all those screenshot painting packs seem to do. That drives me nuts.

As it happens, I had a bunch of pictures saved up for this exact purpose. Probably not all useful, but maybe give them a look?

Re: Paintings

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:10 pm
by roerich
These are great, the one with the photoshopped White-Gold is particularly atmospheric.

I'm thinking that the portrait of Ivan the Terrible might be a tad too recognizable, and thus immersion breaking.

Edit: @Infragris - wow. What a collection.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:24 am
by Saint_Jiub
Thanks guys :) Roerich, I'll take another look at the Ivan one - I might splice it together with another painting just to make it less immediately recognizable - we have a couple of Colovian clothing items that are directly inspired by this particular painting, so I'm loathe to give it up altogether.

Painting textures are done, frames are next on the to-do list.

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Re: Paintings

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:29 am
by roerich
Incredible. Great work again! Would be neat to have some more jungle ones too, but these are more than enough.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:02 am
by Infragris
These are great. Keep in mind that the last four/five paintings have pretty bad meshes in comparison to the others - I will replace these with something more in line with the others when I get the time.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:25 pm
by Saint_Jiub
OK, so I'm leaving the ones with the different mesh alone for now - but here's a preview of the new picture frames. Textures are 512x64.

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The UV maps are pretty terrible, there's not a whole lot I feel like I can do to fix them. Aside from that, any revisions before I upload?

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:50 pm
by Infragris
what's the problem with the uv maps? I could change the shape of the frames to fit the paintings if that's the issue. Most of these hang on walls, so I think replacement errors will be minor, at best.

Included is a mesh to replace the last couple of paintings.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:56 pm
by Saint_Jiub
There's just a lot of stretching and distortion of the texture itself, and it tiles oddly so that the corners of the texture are mirrored in the middle of the frame.

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:06 pm
by Infragris
Hmm. UV fixing should be easy to do in blender - just send them over and I'll have a look. Texture stretching sound like trouble, but I'm not sure what's causing it here: are you stretching the texture to fit the frame?

Re: Paintings

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:13 pm
by Saint_Jiub
Here you go! To be clear, I haven't made any mesh edits myself yet - these are the models that are already in data. The distortions are hard to see because the original textures are so blurry.