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Re: PC_Misc_Col_Barr_? [R-Zero]

Post by R-Zero » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:55 am

worsas wrote:To make it work, the silk should be a physical mesh laid over the skull which is recognizable as silk.This looks a bit strange and I wouldn't know that this is supposed to be a layer of silk, as player. Are the colovians really that much into this moth theme? Just 1-2 variants of carved skulls would work far better in my imagination.
Wasn't Moth a universal Cyrodiilic symbol of ancestry, and Nibenese just being more hardcore with it because of the Alessian Order? But yeah, maybe Arkayn Circle imagery or something would be more fitting.
I'll see what I can do with the silk, if it won't look good it would be easy to just drop it.

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Post by worsas » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:47 am

Wasn't Moth a universal Cyrodiilic symbol of ancestry, and Nibenese just being more hardcore with it because of the Alessian Order? But yeah, maybe Arkayn Circle imagery or something would be more fitting.
I have no idea. I'm missing much of the detail - knowledge other people around here have. But speaking of moths... didn't you make a nocturnal moths- mod at some point? We should totally use that one.

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Post by R-Zero » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:24 pm

worsas wrote: I have no idea. I'm missing much of the detail - knowledge other people around here have. But speaking of moths... didn't you make a nocturnal moths- mod at some point? We should totally use that one.
Yeah, I did - they are very basic and low-poly though.


Is it okay to place ancient coins in the skull's sockets? Like this:
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... Ladies.png[/hsimg]

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Post by Saint_Jiub » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:57 pm

That looks freaking rad. I agree with Worsas about the silk, it may be tricky to pull off in game, but otherwise I love this.

There's moth imagery on the Templar armor in the vanilla game and the legion is very Colovian, so you're probably safe to use it here as well.

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Post by Infragris » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:23 pm

I'm not really sure about that. The Red Dome Templars were founded rather recently, after Tiber's death, and reflect the relative union of the Second Empire. Some urban Colovians would go for moth imagery these days, but most would probably keep to the austere Arkatic iconography. More to the point, these skulls are from the early Colo-Nordic era, when cultural mingling with the Nibenese was limited. The Moth, as an ancestor cult symbol and origin of the silks, is at the heart of Nibenese culture first and foremost.

A silk-swaddled skull is a good idea, but it's one that I would keep for the Nibenay. In fact, Nibenese silk-breeding techniques depend on dead (sometimes human) meat, so it is perfectly possible that the moths themselves covered the skull in silk during their feeding.

As said the basic idea is for the skulls (and other bones) to be banded or even completely covered in hammered copper or flaking gilt. Incorporating coins is a good idea (though they should perhaps be embedded into the design more), but I would not use the Imperial diamond symbol here, which at this time is more of an Alessian Order thing.

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Post by R-Zero » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:37 pm

Infragris wrote:these skulls are from the early Colo-Nordic era
Are all Colovian tombs specifically from this time? Contemporary to the Alessian Empire? No Reman era tombs? I dunno if using coins was a good idea then, as we only have Reman and Alessian ones currently.

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Post by Infragris » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:21 am

The vast majority is strictly from the heydays of the Free Estates. Of course, tombs could be in use for a long period of time, and traditional families probably still used them during the Second Era, but otherwise these tombs should epitomize the earliest Colovian period (which is very important for the Colovian mindset, and otherwise underrepresented).

This might sound strange compared to what I said about the Imperial diamond, but using Alessian coins in Colovian tombs should not be a problem. The Free Estates where very small, underdeveloped nations, and for the most part still paid tribute to the Alessians (the "Free" part is a bit of historic revisionism). They did not have the economical capacity to make their own currency, and would have to rely on the widespread Alessian coin. This was a very common dynamic during the Roman and early medieval periods, I think.

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Post by R-Zero » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:47 pm

Infragris wrote:The vast majority is strictly from the heydays of the Free Estates. Of course, tombs could be in use for a long period of time, and traditional families probably still used them during the Second Era, but otherwise these tombs should epitomize the earliest Colovian period (which is very important for the Colovian mindset, and otherwise underrepresented).
Gotcha. More Nordic/Nedic influences then, less Nibenese.

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Post by Infragris » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:03 pm

Skull idea: dip them in paint? Like a crusty layer of blue or white paint all over them. We could have little painted Nordic patterns over them.

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Post by R-Zero » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Infragris wrote:Skull idea: dip them in paint? Like a crusty layer of blue or white paint all over them. We could have little painted Nordic patterns over them.
Would blue or white fit the colovian tomb aesthetics? Maybe red would be better? Or just some nordic-inspired ornaments on the cranium.
I hoped I could do this without editing the base skull texture, because then I would need to make a whole new one - I would like to use Connary's as a base but I think he was against using his stuff for anything at all. A detail map, maybe? I don't know.
Would the skull I posted an image of above be useful for any Reman-era locations? If yes, I'll keep it around.

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Post by Infragris » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:21 pm

Perhaps better if you used the textures from Better Skulls instead.

For Reman stuff: maybe? Concepts aren't very well developed yet.

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Post by R-Zero » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 am

Infragris wrote:Perhaps better if you used the textures from Better Skulls instead.
These are by Connary too.

If we forego the paint idea, would just putting a circlet/headband thing (like on one of the colovian hairstyles) and adding some details like artificial eyes and mayb metal teeth suffice?

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Post by Infragris » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:24 pm

I'm not sure if artificial eyes are the way to go: they could make the model look a little goofy. I wouldn't use the the modern hairband either: the thing shouldn't refer to modern-day styles. Other than that, pretty much a lot of copper and small gemstones all over the thing. Look at worsas' early Colovian weapons for a style and age guide. The copper should perhaps look beaten and assymetric, as if it was hammered cold across the skull (not molten). Maybe bronze age grave goods, things like Schliemann's treasures of Troy could be an alternate inspiration.

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Post by R-Zero » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:07 pm

- A bone wrapped with golden bands
Is this fine?
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... _femur.png[/hsimg]
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Post by worsas » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:34 pm

R-Zero wrote: Is this fine?
Yes, it is.

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Post by R-Zero » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:41 pm

worsas wrote: Yes, it is.
Sweet. Will upload in the Contribution thread once I make the icon.

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Post by R-Zero » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:01 pm

R-Zero wrote:
- A bone wrapped with golden bands
A skeletal hand in the same style:
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... ed_arm.png[/hsimg]

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Post by Infragris » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:04 pm

Very nice.

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Post by R-Zero » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:01 pm

How's this for the ancient goblet?
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... ebblet.jpg[/hsimg]

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[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... bblet1.jpg[/hsimg]

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Post by Infragris » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:47 pm

I like it a lot. Could you do a small set in this style? Plates, bowls, that kind of thing.

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Post by R-Zero » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:14 pm

Infragris wrote:I like it a lot. Could you do a small set in this style? Plates, bowls, that kind of thing.
Thanks! I can try my hand at it.

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Post by R-Zero » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:29 pm

I know it's a deviation from the concept art, but how about this shape for the vase thing?
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... s/vase.jpg[/hsimg]
If this is not acceptable, I'll just make the handles look like ones on the barrow jars.

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Post by worsas » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:27 pm

Looks just fine, as far as I'm concerned.

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Post by Saint_Jiub » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:27 pm

I like the handles on the cup :)

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Post by R-Zero » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:51 pm

worsas wrote:Looks just fine, as far as I'm concerned.
Saint_Jiub wrote:I like the handles on the cup :)
I remade these in a bit different, simpler shape. Also made both the goblet and the vase appear old and damaged - they are very old, after all.
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... oblets.jpg[/hsimg]

Not sure about bowl shape, but for now it looks like this:
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... s/bowl.jpg[/hsimg]

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Post by Infragris » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:05 pm

These look very nice - the weathered look adds a lot of character. The bowl looks great too.

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Post by R-Zero » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:59 pm

All current pieces of the set together:
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... ow_set.jpg[/hsimg]
Any particular item you guys would want in the same style next?

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Post by Infragris » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:47 pm

Some kind of platter would be useful to exhibit loot on. Other than that, nothing comes to mind.

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Post by R-Zero » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:51 pm

Infragris wrote:Some kind of platter would be useful to exhibit loot on. Other than that, nothing comes to mind.
Couldn't think of anything, went for a simple shape:
[hsimg=]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100 ... debowl.jpg[/hsimg]

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Re: PC_Misc_Col_Barr_? [R-Zero]

Post by Infragris » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:19 am

Looks excellent. With these items, we now have a robust set of clutter for the Colovian barrows. Are you planning to add any more items to this set, R-Zero?

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